Here are some interesting quotes from an MSNBC article titled Legal experts fear implications of White House drone memo:

Legal experts expressed grave reservations Tuesday about an Obama administration memo concluding that the United States can order the killing of American citizens believed to be affiliated with al-Qaida — with one saying the White House was acting as “judge, jury and executioner.”

The memo, made public Monday, provides detail about the administration’s controversial expansion of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects abroad, including those aimed at American citizens.

Among them were Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan, who were killed by an American strike in September 2011 in Yemen. Both men were U.S. citizens who had not been charged with a crime.

Attorney General Eric Holder, in a talk at Northwestern University Law School in March, endorsed the constitutionality of targeted killings of Americans provided that the government determines such an individual poses “an imminent threat of violent attack.”

But the memo obtained by NBC News refers to a broader definition of imminence and specifically says the government is not required to have “clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future.”

So for all my Obama-lovin’ pals out there:  Remind me again, what was it that you hated so much about George W. Bush?  Didn’t it have something to do with pre-emptive strikes against foreigners who hadn’t actually attacked the United States?  Is it okay with you if we kill Americans who haven’t actually attacked the United States?

If it is okay with you, then remind me again … what was it you hated so much about George W. Bush?  Shouldn’t you all be marching down some big-city street right now, wearing Grim Reaper costumes and carrying pictures of Obama drawn to look like Hitler?

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10 Responses to “Killing Americans Without A Trial?”
  1. Rocky Angelucci says:

    I used to be a stanch Republican, largely as a result of my disdain for “progressive” liberalism. I would be thrilled whenever the Republicans were in control.

    As I’ve gotten older, however, I’ve realized that our two party political system is little more than a superbly executed game of good cop/bad cop. No matter which side of the aisle we’re on, we’re so relieved that “our people” and not the evil “other side” are in power that we overlook the wrongs dealt us by “our” party.

    Republicans, overjoyed to be finished with eight years of Clinton, overlooked or marginalized the idiocy of the Bush administration and all its wasteful spending and destruction of our personal liberties. Similarly, liberals who would howl at Bush for doing what Obama has already done, stand silent because their hero is in office and there’s just no way he could harm the country like Bush did.

    Meanwhile, supposed political enemies probably laugh and shake hands behind closed doors at the ease with which the public is manipulated. Whether the left is at the helm or the right is, we’re still zigging or zagging towards more government, more intrusion, more spending, and more deception.

    To be perfectly crass about it, we’re all getting screwed. The only difference is we’re more tolerant when “our” party is in control because they whisper the right things into our ears while they’re screwing us.

    The only solution is for people to stop seeing the wrongs of the federal government as a republican thing or as a democrat thing and recognize that the entire entity is dysfunctional.

    Well said. I call it the Red Team/Blue Team phenomenon. Once people decide which team they’re rooting for, everything their team does is either noble or forgivable and everything people the other team does is baaaaad. I realized that’s how people think when Dennis Rodman left the Pistons and joined the Bulls. The same exact behavior that annoyed the @#$% out of me when he was a Piston now seemed okay, even colorful and exciting.

    Okay for sports, but not good when judging the actions of politicians.

  2. Martin Lopez says:

    Hi Tom

    almost exactly the same situation that you blogged about on fathead. there is a pre-concieved idea and the facts are tortured to fit that idea. i suggest that this is the first method by which people deal with adversity, denial. i think it is great that there are people like you who shine a light on an “inconvenient truth” forcing a response. btw that expression “an inconcenient truth” came out of the left and applies so well to what they blind themselves to. Sad, because i think they are mostly well meaning people.


    I told my leftist pal Paul that leftists are like doctors who insist on bleeding their patients — sure, they mean well, but they’ll kill you with their well-intended plans.

  3. Be says:

    Frankly, the Republican’ts should endorse this overreaching expanse of the Imperial Presidency.

    Er.. well they did when THEIR man was in power.

    Having grown up in the Vietnam era when we learned to distrust executive power it amazes me that that we as a people are turning our backs on our oversight responsibilities. How can we allow Congress to pass the buck and allow our President to unilaterally kill people. Sorry, without a declaration of war by A NATION (through our Congress), this is MURDER. Both Bush and Obama should be brought up on charges.

    What irks the S*&t out of me is how the media lays down for Mr. Obama and wants to sweep it all under the rug. Nobody wants to take responsibility. Nobody wants to name the elephant in the room.

    Have you read any Gene Healy? The “Cult of the Presidency” is a great read and a good survey of Presidential expansion throughout history, even if there isn’t much you don’t already know, it is very well written and a great primer on executive violations of our Constitution.

    My favorite joke about the joker currently in office is “If we put the Constitution on the teleprompter, would you read it?”

    Let me know when – I’ll be there with my scythe!

    My point exactly. People don’t seem to have principles anymore. What’s right is whatever their team is doing. If the other team does it, now it’s wrong. I don’t think we should ever go to war without Congress passing a declaration of war. Let them stand up and be counted, not hide behind a president — of either party.

    I haven’t read the book, but it sounds like a good one.

  4. Bill says:

    Do you believe high cholesterol is linked to strokes? Thanks

    Low cholesterol is linked to strokes.

  5. Gerard says:

    Yes Tom,

    But you continue to label people “leftist” by kinda skirting around the point that you have your own leftist views and arn’t really a conservative.

    Here are some hand picked policies from our very own Australian tree hugging crazy Green party that I completely agree with…. And I suspect you do too -

    The regulated use of THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) for specified medical purposes, such as intractable pain.

    The legalisation of marriage between two consenting adults regardless of sex, sexuality or gender identity.

    The removal of convictions for homosexual acts between consenting adults from legal records. Where a person has been charged under laws in the past against homosexual acts, that are now legal, this should be removed from the criminal record.

    An end to the criminalisation of consensual adult sex work.

    (this one we will probably differ on) – A ban on financial donations from the tobacco and alcohol industries to political parties and candidates.

    Don’t be too hard on the left….. The trick is sifting through all the s**t from both political wings. Realising that they are both a pack of retards and hand picking the decent policies… Im still sticking with the left for the above policies.

    Now – if you like leftist social policy and right wing economic policy. That makes you one of two things – a Liberterian or a 3rd way centrist.

    Leftist social policy and right-wing economic policy sort of captures my attitudes, but what it actually boils down to is telling the government to stay the @#$% out of our lives unless they’re protecting life, liberty and property. Liberals want the government in your business; conservatives want the government in your bedroom. I don’t want the government in either.

    • Gerard says:

      Amen to that brother!

      And i apologise for diverting the topic a bit here in my comment. just seems your always attacking leftists. An admirable sport but conservatives need to be held on their bs too. And it goes beyond the.bedroom. Its waisting money on drug wars & real wars.

      Your comments above about worshipping a tribe. it goes both ways.

      im in the pub now. Old school unionist 80s Aussie factory worker retired telling me how much he loved Gough and Hawke. I said to him… mate, Hawke passively killed the Union movement in this country. People through Hawke found better things via market forces. Hawke lobbies the labor party to date to end ties with the unions. “nah, mate he was one of us i remember sinking piss with him once”… yes he was and is one of us. because he dregulated the economy and killed the unions. but that guy doesnt see it like that. just like your republicans dont see bush as a big spender. or obama on the point raised above.

      The bigger point you raise above i have no doubt you have absolute conviction in. But my exprience with liberterians is they hate loosing the pragmatic argument. They are so use to winning because they verse left and right morons. Enter 3rd way mate…. They hate loosing the pragmatic. Still im glad I have worthy openents of whom I share alot of values with. Online I only debate liberterians and centrists. On interlectual merit and critical thinking we leave l and r for dead.

      Well of course, I think libertarianism is pragmatic too.

  6. Bret says:

    Hypocrites all. I remember talking to some ignorant Republican-voting rednecks years ago during the big Patriot Act debate, and I stopped them cold by asking, “Would you be okay with this program if a Democrat had enacted it?” Unsurprisingly, it is now time to ask the same of the Obamacrats’ fan club as well.

    Ditto on the Congressional war declaration issue. Only a bunch of spineless cowards would allow the system to develop the way it has over the last 70 years.

    And that’s exactly what they are. Only a handful have apologized over voting affirmative on the Iraq debacle. Most of them (coughHILLARYcough) are more interested in blaming everybody else for influencing their minds. Excuse me, Senators, I thought we were paying you $170,000+ a year to use your own brains.

  7. TonyNZ says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen. The winner of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize!


  8. Underground says:

    I think we should make a clean slate and start again with just the bill of rights and the constitution.

    All 3 branches AND STAFF cleaned out. Enact term limits, there should be no such thing as a career politician, and go from there. Like cleaning out the drain filter in the sink.

    Sure it’ll probably get clogged up again, but it sure isn’t working very well now.

    The question is how do you wrest power from those who wield it when they control the process by which they are kept in power?

    I’d vote for that. As for wresting power from those who have it … uh … that may not be a peaceful process.

    • Jetaun says:

      “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better.” Dr. Seuss.
      And you care a whole lot, Mr. Naughton. And I do, too. Keep planting those seeds. Trees will grow. The deception, the lies, the greed, and the corruption can’t last much longer.

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